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A STRANGE FACT

A STRANGE FACT

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The post is made by Mohit Khandelwal .

WE KNOW THAT d/dx of x2 is 2x.

now consider this

x2 = x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+x+............(x times)

if we now differentiate it with respect to x then we get

d/dx(x2) = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+...........(x times)

             = x

          x = 2x

           1= 2

how is it possible??

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by Danish Ishtiaq Khan -

hey! MOHIT,

there is certainly some fallacy in the argument...but i dont know what......

d(F(x))/dx represents the slope of the tangent to F(x) at pt. x.......if we go by your argument then:

x=1+1+1+1+1+1..........(x times)

differentiating  w.r.t  x on both sides we get

1 = 0+0+0+0+0+0+0....

and we also know that slope of the tangent at any x on the fnxn F(x)=x is 1

so there is certainly some fallacy which we can not detect 

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by Dinesh Natarajan -
Hai Mohit.
Well i actually feel that this "x" is a constant.
You can't tell a variable xis x+x+x+x+.....(x times)
Therefore,on differentiating the two sides
you get
0 = 0
WHICH IS UNIVERSAL TRUTH??
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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by Rajat Goel -

Hey Mohit! i think the mistake you are doing is that you are changing a continous function into a non-continous function.

Actually X2 is continous but your equivalent function x+x+x+x+x..... is only defined for integral values and not for all real numbers. What will you write

(.5)2 . So due to this discontinuity might be your fallacy formed.

You can also consider -12 = -1+-1+-1+-1......(-1 times) no meaning

If you find anything wrong then please do reply.

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by Rajat Goel -

Consider one more fact

X2 = x + x + x + x + ...... (x times)

Now each x = 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + .... +(x times)

Thus we have x2 = 1+1+1+1+1+1+......(x2 times)

Diff. wrt to x we have

2x = 0 or x = 0

Thus for any polynomial function we just have slope 0

i.e all polynomial functions are parallel to X - axis

OH! GOD have mercy on Maths.........;-)

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by aman singh -

Rajat just consider that this is a diff equation so we cant put "X"=1

X2=X+X+X+X+X+.......................X times

diff wrt X we get and please dont put X=1

2X=1+1+1+.............X times

and rajat please tell me about that in X2  we just add X for X times how can you add 1 for X2 times if we can replace X by 1 than also we can add 1 to X times and if X=1 then X2=12=1 how can you add 1 to X2 times

2X=X

and think that it is actually a strange fact according to my knowledge and please Rajat answer soon

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by Rajat Goel -

Oh! sorry Aman if mine explanation hurted you but it is going to hurt your heart more that i couldn't understand any of your objection clearly.

Still i will try to explain my point again :

As we see if we write X square as x times x then how will you express .5 as this because i dont think one can write .5 times .5 ...:-(

Now for compatible transmission of our function we need X to be a positive integer and all positive integers can be written as sum of 1 ..... By induction :-)

So we can write X square as x times x where each x can be expressed as sum of 1 x times. So X2 = 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 +...... (X square times)

eg 32 = 3 + 3 + 3 = (1+1+1) + (1+1+1) + (1+1+1)

And thus 2x = 0 or x = 0.

And from next time dont even try to use *** because that hurts me.

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by aman singh -

Hey Rajat sorry friend if i hurt you but i think that you just put the value of X=1 hey i m sorry again

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by anupam chahar -

x2 is different function &

x+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+X+------(x times ) is different function both have diff domain

you can't put x=-1 in x+x+x+x+x+x+x---(x times)

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by sushanth gs -

the proof is obviously wrong.

f(x)=x

the expansion of f(x) as given is clearly a discontinuous function.(you cannot write say.5 ,.5 times) so the funcion can also not be differentiated.

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by venkatesh bhimaraju -

well i will tell you what my sir told me when i asked the same  2 months back in my class

he came the other way round

x=1+1+1+1........(x times)                                                             (1)

since x is variable ......it is compulsory that you have to multiply the below way

x2=x+x+x+x+x............(x2 times)                                                 

 when you multiply a variable on both sides ...you need to multpily tht variable on both the sides ....including the no.of terms too (dont ask me why )

now differentiate w.r.t. x

2x = 1+1+1+1+1......... (2x times ) =2x                                    (2)

such calculations must be done because .....x is unknown ....and variable

if x was not a variable ........what ever you gave in the question wud have been applicable

if you are not  satisfied .....chck the eqns 1 and 2 by putting x values

for e.g. x=3

=> 3=1+1+1(3 times )

where as 2x is 6 = 1+1+1+1...(2x times i.e.6 times)

now dont ask me about the other eqn x2=x+x+x....... i am helpless over there mixed...even i was not completely satisfied .

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by Sathej G -

Hello,

 This is an oft repeated argument.The fallacy is in the last step.If x = 2x,then clearly one cannot conclude 1=2 as it amounts to division by zero on both sides,which is meaningless.

Sathej

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by Jeffrey John -

I agree with you, Sathej,because it is just like,

if you differentiate for eg:,the foll eqn.,

2x2=3x+1,

4x=3,

x=3/4. Now if we substitute this value of x in the original eqn, we get,

2 * (9/16)=(9/4)+1,

(9/8)=(13/4), which is not true........

in the same way the eqn 2x=x,

we can write as x(2-1)=0

                        x=0, or 1=0.

Obviously 1=0 is not possible therefore the slope is 0 at the pt (0,0).

tell if there are any mistakes.......thoughtful

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by niladri das -
hi mate,
           look at this way,
i guess when you 1st thought the prob you thought it in this manner
x2 = x * x
i.e x2 = x * (1+1+1+1+..........xtimes)
but mate the above result is true only when the value of x is an "even no. " hence mate the graph is not continuous . thus you cannot differentiate it in the 1st place
  please inform me if i am wrong
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Re: A STRANGE FACT

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The post is made by jenish shivshaktiwala .

hi mohit
 i have ur answer.
you ask that :x2= x+x+x+x+......(x times)   o.k.

1st reply

x2= [x+x+x+x+........(x/2times)]+[x+x+x+x+...(x/2times)]

x2= x*x/2 +  x*x/2

2x= 2x/2 + 2x/2

2x=x+x

2x=2x



2nd reply


x2=[x+x+x+...(x/3 times)]+[x+x+x+...(x/3times)]+[x+x+x+..(x/3times)]

x2=x*x/3 + x*x/3 + x*x/3

2x=2x/3 + 2x/3 + 2x/3

2x=2x

ok

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by bharadwaj bharadwaj -
x2 is "x added x times". when you diff this wrt x, you must take care to diff the no times x is added to itself.
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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by srinath murthy -
How can anybody add 31/2 or any non-integral times ? So the statement is true only for integers , so it's not continous everywhere , so it's not differentiable.
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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by ankit jha -

NOW I PROVE THE CHAPTER OF COMPLEX NUMBER PARTIALLY FAILED
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(1) i = root minus one
(2) i square= - one (here i stands for iota)
(3) i cube = - iota
(4) i power 4 = 1

now 3rd equation ,,, i cube = - iota
i cube + i =0
i(i square + 1)= 0
i = 0 and i square = - one
so,these are the 2 values of iota .....(1)


now 4th equation ....i power 4 - 1 = 0
( i power2-1)(ipower2+1)= 0
i power2 -1 = 0 and i power 2 = -1
i power 2 =1 and i power2 = -1
i = + - one and i = + - root minus one
so thus are 4 values of iota
so ,the total 5 values of iota are o,+1,-1,,-i,,+i
and if we put the values of iota in their general form then the equation becomes

(1) if we put i=o then x + i y = x + o y = x
(2)if we put i = + - one x + i y = x+ y and x-y
(3)if we put i = + - i then x + i y = x + i y and x - i y
if conclusion is x + i y = x - i y is only possible if y =0
thus all are straight line equations so complex no chapter is not totally correct

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Re: A STRANGE FACT

by Nandkishore Srinivasan -
i is an imaginary but defined value root -1 so we cannot make an equation i(isquare+1)=0 there are no variables for example 2(x+y)=0 here 2 is a defined value like i therefore 2 not=0black eye